Doge - 100% LUA ??

[Tom_H]

http://hk.f2.page.auctions.yahoo.com/hk ... iew=search

http://hk.f2.page.auctions.yahoo.com/hk ... iew=search

1 HKD = 0,1063 EUR (Wiener Börse Live)

Günter, wie wird diese Seite denn bei dir angezeigt? Ich bin noch nicht einmal in der Lage den Verkäufer anzuschreiben. Habe in der Schule im malen immer eine 5 gehabt........

[gkrivanec]

http://members.wasi.tv/k16nx4/bilder/doge.pdf

Da drinnen wie bei eBay, wenn er kein Englisch kann, ist es soundso umsonst.

Günter

[Erzkanzler]

Sollte kein Problem sein, der hat jede Menge englische Bewertungen.

Grüße
Martin

[gkrivanec]

http://www.kellytubeart.com.hk/index.htm

Hat zumindest den Doge-Link auf seiner HP. Eine Anfrage kostet nichts.

Günter

[Perka]

http://www.kellytubeart.com.hk/index.htm

Hat zumindest den Doge-Link auf seiner HP. Eine Anfrage kostet nichts.

Günter

They have a picture of the Doge 6201 on the four upper pictures!

[Tom_H]

Günter, ich bin beeindruckt, wo Du die ganzen Tipps und Seiten immer Ausfindig machst.

Leider funktioniert der Doge Link auf der Seite nicht. Habe aber dennoch heute morgen direkt mal eine Mail an den Laden geschickt. Hoffe jetzt nur das man mich dort auch versteht. Aber in HK sollte Englisch eigentlich kein Problem sein.

We'll see

[gkrivanec]

Hallo Thomas!

Der Link war nur auf eine Info-Seite der HP selber, kein Link auf eine Doge HP.

Die Seiten zu finden ist nicht so schwer, habe momentan Zeit. Mein Job ist auch die Administration von WEB-Servern meines Arbeitgebers. Wir sind die weltweite Zentrale der CD-Herstellungsbetriebe von Sony. Habe auch mit chinesischen und japanischen Zeichen zu kämpfen.

Viel Glück bei den Anfragen.

Was mir mal durch den Kopf gegangen ist, wer hat die Urheberrechte an diesem System? Wenn die bei LUA liegen, kann der natürlich den Import nach Europa, an seiner Firma vorbei, bekämpfen. Wer will sich schon einen Markt kaputtmachen lassen, wenn er das 3fache für seine Geräte bekommen kann? Eventuell ist das der Grund für Rückzieher bei den Versendern? Ist nur so ein Gedanke.

Schönen Abend aus Salzburg
Günter

[Perka]

Hallo Thomas!

Der Link war nur auf eine Info-Seite der HP selber, kein Link auf eine Doge HP.

Die Seiten zu finden ist nicht so schwer, habe momentan Zeit. Mein Job ist auch die Administration von WEB-Servern meines Arbeitgebers. Wir sind die weltweite Zentrale der CD-Herstellungsbetriebe von Sony. Habe auch mit chinesischen und japanischen Zeichen zu kämpfen.

Viel Glück bei den Anfragen.

Was mir mal durch den Kopf gegangen ist, wer hat die Urheberrechte an diesem System? Wenn die bei LUA liegen, kann der natürlich den Import nach Europa, an seiner Firma vorbei, bekämpfen. Wer will sich schon einen Markt kaputtmachen lassen, wenn er das 3fache für seine Geräte bekommen kann? Eventuell ist das der Grund für Rückzieher bei den Versendern? Ist nur so ein Gedanke.

Schönen Abend aus Salzburg
Günter

I think the reason is obvious.
Doge 6201 = The manufacturer gets Y USD/unit and sell 9000
Lua = The manufacturer gets Y USD/unit and sell 2000
The distributer and the retailer, who have some costs and
profits to make take Y x 5 to make their living.
If you have a good product you can skip one or to
parts of the chain. The world is going this way with better
access to infirmation.
For some products it doesent work as there need somebody to do the marketing. But many quality manufactures dont need the extra
chain once they are known.

[souldriver]

meiner ist da.....!!!!!

hier der link:

http://www.roehren-und-hoeren.de/phpBB/ ... c&start=75

[stentor]

Great

[Perka]

I just ordered 8 x mundorf mcap supreme 3,3uf to upgrade
the WIMA MKP10

Any of you other guys who got delivered?

[Tom_H]

Hi Perka,
before upgrading the Apassionato/Doge, I would prefer to get one......

Obviously this player is no more available. Unfortunately I have been too late..........In most of the other cases I am too early (at least my wife say's that)

[Tubes]

Praecox?

[stentor]

Hello Perka

Have you compared the doge (new tubes) vs the dropet XLR?

I also will buy mundorf mcap supreme 3,3uf. Where do you bought them?

[Perka]

Hello Perka

Have you compared the doge (new tubes) vs the dropet XLR?

I also will buy mundorf mcap supreme 3,3uf. Where do you bought them?

Try the http://www.schuro.de/mundorf.htm
Free freight for orders above 100 euro and 10% discount
if 8 of the same item.

LUa VS Droplet will be tomrrow!!

[teiki arii]

Secondly, by "condos" do you refer to the tubes?

Hello perka,
I am sorry, I didn't notice until today about "co,dos": it means in french "capacitors"...Thank you to mightydwarf of french forum..

[stentor]

So Perka, tomorrow came . What news about your tweak. I ordered last week 8 Mundorf MCAP SUPREME (145 euros) that i'm waiting impatiently. HAve tou take some pics...

[Perka]

Teiki, No worries about condos, I understood you just missed it

I have just finished putting all the mundorf supreme in place and I would like to share my experiences. It has not been easy to put all mundurf in place. Actually this is almost an impossibility if you want to keep the sheilding metal cover over the dac. The same cover is also the base and fixing point for the “metal tubes” surrounding the 6 tubes. There just isn’t enough space.

I removed the 8 wima mkp10 3,3 uf. Then I discovered that they have been soldered in a quite complex way as some of them also are connected on the top side of the circuit board. This is just one aspect.

The legs of the mundorfs fits extremely tight into the ex wima wholes. And the mundorf are so heavy (and you move them a lot when you try to turn the board in the very narrow space, I didn’t want to remove the fine wires that goes from the circuit board to the four RCA outputs, so the board was partially fixed by these short wires in the cd doing all work) that I actually ruined the thin copper layer on the circuit board in two places. I had to save the situation by making extra wires for the mundorf to be soldered directly on new places on the circuit.

This is only part of the problem….

I had to put isolation on all mundorf legs. I didn’t want to make the legs longer as this means it is more connections and less short way for the signal to travel. But this also means that when you solder the mundorfs you have to choices:
1) put them in without the shielding metal covering the dac and the anti vibrating metal tubes will not be there any more. When you have soldered the mundurfs there is no way to apply the metal cover,
2) put on the metal cover and then solder all mundorfs, This means that the metal cover is never to be removed again. This also means that it is very difficult when all work is done to fix the whole circuit board to the cd in the bottom because normally you first screw the circuit board into the cd bottom and then on top of these screws with 2 cm distance you screw new screws INTO the first ones (it has a whole in the mittle) to fix the metal cover. There is in the end very little space for the fingers to be able to turn the bottom screw (from the side! Actually the bottom screw is in the mittle, where the 2 cm distance to the top metal cover is, six or eight sided), but you can do it with a lot of patience. A special tool would indeed help this.

In the end my recommendation would be to maybe (depending on patience…) to skip the metal cover and also to remove the circuitboard completely from the cd when working. This means desolder the wires for the RCA outputs. If the circuit board is free from the cd there is less forces that pushes the heavy mundorfs when you turn the board and less chans that they destroy the thin copper layer on the circuit board!

I was finished very late yesterday so I couldn’t listen to the result (I heared on very low volyme that it sounded OK but my wife complained that it was late with completely not understanding for my impatience ).

But the first time I thought I was finished there was something very wrong with the sound. I opened the cd and looked under the circuit board (took a lot of time to remove it due to the almost impossibility to turn the “lower” screws). I then saw that around one soldering the thin copper of the circuit was destroyed by the force of the mundorf when I tried to squeeze everything down.

Just one more thing. One of the "four row" mundorfs nearest the cd front must be placed in a different place than in the row. There is not enough space. I made longer legs for one mundorf and put it in the space between the cd front and the "three mundorf row"(placed where the old wimas where).

Pictures will follow and ofcourse all listening impressions. I put the cd to repeat yeasterday!

[Perka]

For differences LUA vs Droplet with chineese lua tubes exchanged for JJ 803S (x4) and Mullard CV 4024(x2) I had following setups.

You can below see the Caiyn 860 monoblock and above preamp Cayin (the same pre as Teiki ari has)! Also Accuphase p360 poweramp.




The Droplet was by all three persons in the listening group nominated the winner by small margin in this setup with quite cheap Dali speakers. Droplet has more air auround the instruments an wider soundstage.

[Tom_H]

Hi Perka,
it seems that somebody wants to push the Droplet heavily........

Unfortunately I can not get the Doge.